Comments on PERTH AUSTRALIA - 6 0 0 0 T I M E S: Perth : McShit

McDonalds doesnt care about you or your health, th...

2011-10-16T23:27:04.013+08:00

McDonalds doesnt care about you or your health, the standard of your food or your culture - thats why its opened up opposite and indigenous cafe on Beaufort st. People are becoming increasingly deluded by powerful adverts if they are going to defend this magnum that is a determent to our society. The fact is they feed people preservative packed food that is UNHEALTHY, - its cheap for a reason. Businesses that care, and are genuinely in it for the benefit of society, will have a society that know it, not need advertising, and will in the end, care what the town wants and not put MONEY before PEOPLE.

I have been advised that the restaurant is actuall...

2011-09-19T17:36:32.118+08:00

I have been advised that the restaurant is actually 24 hours. Buyers of the apartments were told it would be closing at 9pm.

McVibrancy!

This Maccas is already open for business and crank...

2011-09-19T15:25:20.717+08:00

This Maccas is already open for business and crankin out the McFeasts. At least the potential buyers of the new flats next door now have fair warning...

Maybe Maccas should build the new Footy Stadium.Jo...

2011-07-27T07:54:08.950+08:00

Maybe Maccas should build the new Footy Stadium.Job done.

Yeah not sure what estate agents are obliged to di...

2011-06-27T18:04:19.922+08:00

Yeah not sure what estate agents are obliged to disclose about that, not 100% on my real estate law.

As a nearby resident, I'm glad that more apartments are going up, and looks like a cafe is going into the Metropol thing. As to the Maccas, well, I'm not directly opposite so I won't hear the extra 24-hr traffic or get the lights or smells, but I'm sure some will be a bit cheesed, particularly the eastern side of Tyne Square. However, I'm totally addicted to their hash browns so the temptation to stroll there on a weekend will be strong.

Yes anon, that is the kind of density we need on t...

2011-06-27T16:52:12.687+08:00

Yes anon, that is the kind of density we need on the CBD fringe, and inner-city.

The campaign was cleverly executed - McDonalds approved, then, flashy TV advertising campaign for the apartments next door, I believe more than 80% actually pre-sold, THEN McDonalds construction begins.

Actually, it seems that the back half of this bloc...

2011-06-27T14:34:19.304+08:00

Actually, it seems that the back half of this block is to be a 4/5-level apartment complex with commercial ground floor, about 100 apartments. That's pretty good density.

http://www.metropolonparry.com.au/

Although none of the pictures mention the Maccas next door

I wonder how the Tyne Square development (which wa...

2011-05-16T16:43:00.515+08:00

I wonder how the Tyne Square development (which was ALSO rejected for a liquor license) feels about having a McDonalds close by. Bet they love it. Bet the residents dont though.

"How can people be attracted to the inner cit...

2011-05-16T16:42:55.395+08:00

"How can people be attracted to the inner city if all they get is a suburb of apartments."

oh man, can't wait to go to the city. gonna go to maccas!!

i am so fucking glad you said everything you did. ...

2011-04-01T11:57:26.787+08:00

i am so fucking glad you said everything you did. it's true! people can't handle it = silly/ brainwashed by mcdonalds lol.

you want another maccas close to the city you fat ass? there are already 2 in the city. you want your big mac, well then go there! we do NOT need another maccas. do we need more housing closer to the city? yes please!

please tell me they did not actually approve the mcdonalds

There is a Mcdonalds within walking distance of th...

2011-02-16T04:22:28.269+08:00

There is a Mcdonalds within walking distance of the one that was planned. I wonder why the franchise didn't step in with regard to market saturation instead of the plan being rejected on another basis.

ANon 10:55 - BINGO!

2011-02-12T11:55:52.420+08:00

ANon 10:55 - BINGO!

Thanks C, yes, they are intriguing comparisons. T...

2011-02-12T11:10:46.335+08:00

Thanks C, yes, they are intriguing comparisons. The use of Los Angeles was not to provide an "aim" for Perth, but more as a mechanism to show that Perth's urban sprawl really is quite out of control - even when comparing to a city like Los Angeles. The irony is, the term "Los Angelisation" has been used to describe urban sprawl. However, the sprawl in Perth, by any measure, is multitudes worse than Los Angeles.
It would be wise for the current Perth planners to take this seriously, and plan for a much smarter future Perth.

I think the point is that LA is the global archety...

2011-02-12T10:55:03.156+08:00

I think the point is that LA is the global archetype of sprawl, and the comparison is a good one as even our densest areas are not as dense as the LA average.

I was intrigued with your comparisons between Pert...

2011-02-12T00:49:54.972+08:00

I was intrigued with your comparisons between Perth and LA. Why would we want to achieve those kind of density figures? I agree Perth needs to increase it's CBD density and stop the urban sprawl, but surely LA isn't the Utopia we should be aiming for is it?
C

^^ anon, I agree, the reaction would not have been...

2011-02-11T11:57:42.694+08:00

^^
anon, I agree, the reaction would not have been as strong if it was something other than McDonalds. Maybe I wouldn't have written the article. Whether or not fast food is a good use of the site is not the issue, for me. Whether a single level drive through anything is a good use for the site. I can 100% say with honesty, if it was a McDonalds with a 4 level apartment building above it, for me, it would have been a good outcome, in my opinion.
Nobody arc'd up against Coles, because:
a) There were no supermarkets in the area, at all.
b) There is about 100 apartments above the supermarket.
c) It wasn't an "underdevelopment" of the site.
It has zero to do with their share base or what food they sell. I would have preferred an Aldi or some other company that isn't currently in WA, to increase competition, but hey, it's a pretty good outcome.
I agree with you, and other comments, that the Town must mandate to expect an outcome.
In the meantime, this will be repeated again and again, and it appears Perth will do little to improve it's low density destiny.
Also, I am very aware that the majority of people in Perth love McDonalds, and love low density living.
Thanks for your comments.
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Anon 9:59 - bring on the new design codes, not a moment too soon!

True - it's all about the control v. flexibili...

2011-02-11T11:27:27.340+08:00

True - it's all about the control v. flexibility balance. If the Town wishes to see a certain outcome, they must mandate it, or buy land and become developers themselves.

If flexibility is desired, then there are no guarantees.

I wonder if anyone would have given a shit if it were to be a Dome or Nandos? I think the reaction would have been a lot less.

And finally, not one person actually provided a good reason why a fast food store is not a good land use for the site? It's a legitimate service which surrounding residents have the opportunity to use. How can people be attracted to the inner city if all they get is a suburb of apartments.

We can keep using the terms "developers" and "multinationals" etc, so why doesnt anyone arc up against Coles when they went in across the road. They have a multinational share base. Oh wait, they only sell healthy food - yeh right!

better planner? oxymoron much?

2011-02-11T10:39:17.574+08:00

better planner?

oxymoron much?

i enjoyed your frank and concise explanation of th...

2011-02-11T09:59:40.349+08:00

i enjoyed your frank and concise explanation of the situation here in perth. as someone designing multi unit sites on the fringes and urban infill sites where zoning allow, i too have had a gutfull of the WAPC and their self absorbied policy making. DC policy in this state would have to be about 40 years behind ANYWHERE ELSE in the world - stupid things like engineers calculating 10 trips per day PER HOUSE when it comes to traffic movements....who uses their car this much ANYWHERE? the new residential design codes will at least double what we can now put on a plot of land with half the car parking requirements for those within 800m of a trainstation or major bus route.

thank god. at least someone saw the light and got SOMETHING right.

N you should so run for council! Anon - I gather ...

2011-02-10T13:54:28.552+08:00

N you should so run for council!

Anon - I gather that there were different opinions regarding what the ToV controls did and didn't allow - I must admit my reading of it is that Maccas got a bit lucky on this one... maybe a better planner representing them (like having a good lawyer).

One's right to do something does not guarantee...

2011-02-10T13:09:35.516+08:00

One's right to do something does not guarantee that it's the right thing to do.
SAT can be, and is, used by developers and multinationals to ensure that projects, whose main driver is to fulfill the mandate of the company [ie return maximum profits], get approval.
And in such cases it doesn't hurt to have lawyers who charge at an obscenely high rate to 'ensure their client's rights are protected', even if it's at the expense of the community or against the intent of the planning requirements. A democratically elected Council should have some scope to rule on behalf of the community.
The alternative is to legislate to such a degree that planning 'guidelines' are 10,000's of pages long and all development is hampered. Even then you can't allow for every possible circumstance and guidelines can't react fast enough to changing conditions.

Descending further into a nanny state might be rational but surely commonsense is preferable.

Joel - "It's how all good planning decisi...

2011-02-09T18:30:10.199+08:00

Joel - "It's how all good planning decisions should be made - trust the dollar, it knows best."

Hmmm...perhaps one should look at the SAT ruling. I don't believe that
the number of legal dogs representing the applicant was taken into consideration in making the determination.

It was something to do with...oh...i don't know...the application complying will the Vincent planning requirements.

If Vincent wants a certain outcome in certain areas, then they need to introduce appropriate controls. Seems logical to me, or is that too rational?

You can't just say, hey, we want you to develop this, especially when your controls don't require that...and to some extent, preclude that!

Will you vote for me, young Lady? Clearly those wh...

2011-02-09T18:26:42.199+08:00

Will you vote for me, young Lady? Clearly those who disagree with this are having their say here, and I clearly would like the comments section to be a record of people's opinion, whether they agree or disagree it's not important to me. What's important is everyone get's to have their say. Thanks for your valuable input though, maybe attach a name next time? PS, there has been approval for a four level apartment development next door, which will only go ahead if enough people are willing to pre-pay between 400 and 655k to live next door to a 24 hour drive-through. Time will tell, and keep checking back, the next story is a doozy.

"Whinge whinge whinge...but I don't want ...

2011-02-09T18:14:19.205+08:00

"Whinge whinge whinge...but I don't want to run for Council and have direct involvement in decision making".

Are you serious?

Put your money (and criticism) where your mouth is...

Well N...I need not be a mind reader given the las...

2011-02-09T18:11:33.019+08:00

Well N...I need not be a mind reader given the last para of your blog...you know how you would rather have monkeys rip your head off. You self righteous shit if you don't want peoples opions don't ask for them....oh sorry only those who agree allowed.